As I’ve been saying ever since the letter trying to squash the forming of a document on “Eucharistic Coherence”, the loud crowd is in the minority. There is no “split down the middle.” Let’s look at the vote on drafting that document: 168 yea, 55 nay, and 6 abstentions. The club that wants to give Communion to whoever walks up to receive didn’t even retain their supposed 67! I don’t know why a bigger deal hasn’t been made about that, but more than one person who supposedly signed said they didn’t at all. Cardinals Cupich and Gregory have some ‘splaining to do!
So back to the numbers. The nays are not even 25% of all the USCCB bishops. For all their whining over unity, the minority is really the problem. Maybe they need to get on board instead of lying on the tracks trying to stop the train.
On top of that, today I find that 60 “Catholic” Democrats issued a “Statement of Principles.” More like a statement of lack of principles! https://twitter.com/CatSzeltner/status/1405960359081566209 The disturbing thing is that this was totally orchestrated. Five seconds after the bishops vote to draft a document clarifying Catholic teaching on the Eucharist and they were totally ready to go with this screed. This is nothing more than a Fr. Martin/Cardinal Cupich media stunt. And yes, I’m guessing, but with good reason, they are behind it. They’ve been spinning for days, suggesting everything from those wanting to produce the document are somehow in schism, to them ignoring the CDF, to them singling out politicians. The Democrats had the liberal Catholic bishops’ talking points down pat. Sadly, they are all LIES. Yes, I totally believe that. They have moved on to plain old deception. This never was about one issue and their working outline didn’t focus ONLY on politicians as Cupich tried to suggest yesterday. Heck, even Martin, SJ, is tanking that theory because he’s pointing out the document bars openly active homosexuals from receiving. Hey, ethical media, try reading the outline for the document before editorializing: https://www.scribd.com/document/509294305/Pillar-Media-USCCB-Memo-on-Eucharistic-coherence-5-22-2021 The darlings at America Mag and National catholic Reporter are leading you all by the nose with their misrepresentations. Grow up and do your job.
Since I’ll probably have to do their job for them, though: “The document will include theological foundation for the Church’s discipline concerning the reception of Holy Communion and a special call for those Catholics who are cultural, political, or parochial leaders to witness to the faith.” Note, it’s not limited to politicians. It’s also not a new discipline created by the USCCB but based on the discipline and law already in place, and nowhere in the document does it seek to usurp the authority of an individual bishop over his diocese. There’s much more to it, but this is the heart of what’s becoming routine lies.
One last thing on the spinners trying to say that the USCCB is somehow going against “the Vatican”, …Does anyone remember what happened last January when Archbishop Gomez wanted to issue a statement on Biden? An embargo was placed on that statement. https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/20/pope-francis-muzzles-american-catholic-bishops-preaching-against-bidens-anti-catholic-agenda/ If the Vatican wanted to stop the USCCB from producing this document, they could have chosen to do so. Instead, Ladaria issued “guidelines” which were, despite hissy fits and spin from James Martin, SJ, and Cardinal Cupich, were indeed taken into account. After all the running off to Rome by Cardinals Cupich and Tobin to stop discussion of a document on the Eucharist, all they got from “the Vatican” were guidelines which kind of matched what was already said by most of the bishops crafting the document. It was comical.
Hopefully “the Vatican” (I only put that in scare quotes because it’s the ominous sounding persona Martin and Cupich like to use without defining) has realized that those trying to stop this document from ever seeing the light of day probably don’t have much belief in the Real Presence themselves, and that they are in a small minority. They are not representative of Catholicism. They’re just loud, whiny children and “the Vatican” might finally be annoyed with Cupich, et. al., throwing temper tantrums every five minutes and demanding dad to fix it.
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Are Cupich & Tobin gay ? I’m seriously asking this , because it would explain a lot of their motivation w/ all of this. We all know Jimmy the Jesuit is.
I won’t even mention Gregory, he is not worth mentioning, he is one of the rudest and meanest humans, I’m just so sorry we Catholics have the misfortune of him being in the Church.
Never forget Tobin’s “Nighty night, baby, I love you” twitter misfire. He claimed that it was directed at his sister, but to anyone with a functioning brain it sounds like pillow talk directed at a paramour.
In any case, even I, as someone who is generally pessimistic about the state of the Church, have to admit that this was a pretty good. I fully expected Pope Francis to hold an all-smiles powwow with the Bidens and give them Communion as a kick in the teeth to the USCCB. That didn’t happen, and the good and semi-good bishops in the conference held their ground. A rare win. I’ll take it.
We are also sinners and in the Church. We are a Church of saints and sinners as are the clergy. Gregory should be mentioned in prayer as well as his cohorts.
Yes Bob we all are sinners. The difference is, most laity who take their faith seriously confess, try to amend their lives and keep trying. These men, continue to fight against the faith and tenants of the Church, in public causing scandal.
I believe Cardinal Tobin of Newark is an active homosexual. Why else would he have had a male Italian soap star living IN his rectory, until word got out? Also, the idea that his “Nighty-night, baby. I love you.” tweet was intended for his sister is risible. Finally, Tobin’s been singling out gays – without making a distinction between active and inactive homosexuals — for special, positive attention throughout his career. If it walks like a duck…
On Wednesday past, people gathered for an event in a park in front of Sacred Heart Cathedral in Newark to call on Cdl Tobin (again) to shut down the satanic music playing on Seton Hall University’s radio station (he chairs the Board of Trustees). Speakers were Jesse Romero, Michael Hichborn and Fr. James Altman. Following their words, a rosary procession with a first class relic of St JP 2 wound it’s way around the cathedral and stopped in front of the Cardinal’s residence. We all knew at that moment the Zoom meeting of bishops was ongoing. We don’t know if he knew we were there, but here in the Archdiocese of Newark, we are trying. It ain’t easy.
Why yes, yes they are. Chicago law enforcement even has a nickname for their cardinal: “Blazing Cupcake.”
Biden should have been excommunicated when he married two Men in.the vp mansion yrs ago. Mr Donahue of Catholic lge of religious and civil rights chronicles THIRTY Two instances of bidens gov. Actions attacking rc Christians faith and morals sexual and otherwise since he Biden snuvk.into office.. Enough already 😴.
Snuck is the proper term.
What a travesty, these depraved souls have turned our Churches into. They are the stupidest humans alive. To have no fear of God , with flagrant disrespect which will land them in Hell. To much that is given, much is expected. They have given nothing back , but offenses against him.
I still do not understand your happiness with this vote. The bishops voted to prepare a document. The bishops statements about what will, and what will not, be in the document indicate that it will be basically worthless. The positive aspects on the Eucharist will likely be not as good as the old Baltimore Catechism. The document will likely indicate that according to Canon 916 certain people (unnamed) should not present themselves for communion. They will not push Canon 915 which says that the bishops and priests should not give communion to certain people. If I am wrong and the doccument pushes Canon 915, there will be more than 55 votes against.
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What’s the principle that pro-aborts have? That “Holy Communion doesn’t involve the Church in any respect – it’s all between me and God, and God approves”? Or the Church has some role here, but it doesn’t apply in this specific moral teaching but possibly to others?
They’ll tell you that it’s all about personal conscience. The Church dispenses the sacrament, but it’s up to the individual recipient to make their own call on receiving. If the pro-abortion politician or the lesbian in a same-sex civil marriage has a clear conscience about what they’re doing, then they’re good to go. That’s the mentality. Likewise, if a Heinrich Himmler has a clear conscience about his work, he’s also a worthy recipient. Thus, say, the German bishops’ excommunication of Nazi leadership in the ’30s would have been out of bounds, according to this line of thinking.
A persistent public display by prominent people in the public eye of receiving Holy communion while guilty of public, blatant contradictions of Church teaching and creating confusion and chaos among the faithful is not the same as a private person hiding his or her own mortal sins and receiving communion. Both are equally wrong though the former because of the public status needs to be dealt with by the bishops for the good of the faithful. Silence by the bishops on public figures who are Catholic and receiving unworthily and publicly contradict the Church does little to enforce the teaching on the truth of the Real Presence. If bishops don’t think it important enough to respect the reception of the Real Presence then why would the laity?
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Did you mean National catholic Register? or Reporter??
Since she mentioned Amerika Mag in the same breath I gave her the benefit of the doubt and figured she meant Reporter
Thanks, Bob! I thought so too, but I thought she might like the opportunity to correct it.
Thanks. Often make that one. Fixed.