I’m super tired of the supposed “spiritual fathers” and their acolytes (and yes, I mean that to sound like those who follow serial killers) who want attention so badly and who don’t care about the spiritual death of another as long as they get that attention. It’s pretty evil.
You may not know what “Munchausen by Proxy” is. We’ve had a few cases of this hit our area in the past, so I’m more familiar than I care to be. It’s sad. It’s a psychological syndrome where a caregiver either fakes or causes the illness of those in their care to gain attention. It’s usually a parent who does it to their child. It’s evil and sad, and almost every time I see a James Martin, SJ post I think of it. Today, it just so happened to be one of his cheerleaders that brought it to mind.
Good old Christopher Lamb made this giddy little tweet about his hero: https://twitter.com/OneMadMomBlog/status/1592296696708726785
Pope Francis on @JamesMartinSJ
“A man who has values, a communicator who also knows how to teach you the way to communicate with God.” Francis also recommends his book “To Learn to Pray”. [Significant given the attacks Fr Martin has faced due to his ministry to LGBT Catholics]
My reply to extolling anything James Martin, SJ, promoted is summed up by my tweet in reply:
James Martin, SJ is the parent who would repeatedly let a child touch a hot stove so he could soothe the child and declare himself a wonderful parent for doing so.
I’m not ever sure I’ve thought “He’s just trying to lead souls to Christ” or that “He just doesn’t understand,” but I think I’ve always given him a little more credit than that. I think he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and it’s not about anyone’s everlasting life. He’s obfuscated many a teaching of Christ to make that clear to me. It is all about his attention seeking self.
He simply can’t speak the truth that God loves the sinner and want to give His mercy to all of us. He has to make people as comfortable as possible with their sin. He doesn’t invite them to pick up their crosses. Instead, he invites people to chuck them as quickly as possible and condemns anyone trying to teach people the hard lessons of Christ and get them to recognize their sin and throw themselves on God’s beautiful mercy. He just spouts whataboutisms and it makes people feel OK with their sin because, after all, we are all sinners.
As I’ve said before, we should give kudos to any priest who pricks our consciences, who tells us that the proverbial stove is indeed hot and that we will get hurt, and we will be possibly scarred for life if we touch it. That’s what a loving parent does. A loving parent doesn’t make their children sicker and sicker so they can get attention or try to garner the role as a savior. And, yes, when pointing people to the Divine Physician, it should be done with love. It definitely shouldn’t be done by repeatedly telling the sick soul that one group or another hates them and driving a wedge between them, because it might just not be so. Martin repeatedly does that. The idea that most of us don’t have someone in our lives who suffers with same-sex attraction is ridiculous. The idea that those of us who believe homosexual acts go against the teaching of Christ aren’t running around telling people to “Be gone, Satan!” We’re saying “Come! Struggle with us! Your sin might be different than mine, but we can all struggle together!”
So, what makes James Martin, SJ obfuscate and seek to divide as he does? I can only guess, but none of the answers look good. I’ll throw out this challenge. If you are a person who was engaging in homosexual acts (we’re not talking about the canard of the Church saying homosexuality itself is a sin, I’m talking you embraced the lifestyle and the acts) and who decided you should stop engaging in homosexual acts, and firmly resolved to avoid that near occasion of sin, because of James Martin, SJ’s bridge building expertise, let me know. That doesn’t even mean that you don’t fall off the sin wagon. It just means you fully embrace the teachings of the Church, and realize they are there for the protection of your soul even if you fall short in thought or deed as most of us do. Fr. Martin loves to talk about his long-time friend who has been happily in a homosexual “marriage” for years. Seems like the bridge only goes one way and the wrong way at that. You’d think he’d worry about his friend’s eternal soul but he just peddles that everything is fine because of his very broken notion of Primacy of Conscience which allows anyone to do anything (except vote Republican) as long they think it’s fine.
Most people I know who are same-sex attracted and left that lifestyle behind did so by embracing the teachings of the Church. They joined us in the confession line and firmly resolved to sin no more! Stop listening to the attention seekers and start embracing God’s mercy. I’ll be right there with you.
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I think God loves us all where we are. Just hopes we become a better person. Jesus message is always love.
Hippie Jesus does not exist. He taught the gate was narrow and not all that cried “Lord, lord!” would enter the Kingdom of Heaven and “Go and sin no more!” His words, not mine. He loves us where we are but we not getting to Heaven with happy thoughts. We are to pick up our cross and follow him. Again, His words. Of course he loves us but “He just hopes we become a better person isn’t right. He commands it and we are free to choose Him and His teachings or we can walk away like many did.
Have you read the bible? I did when I was 16 (never been to church, my parents didn’t go) answers are clear. even to me when I knew nothing. I learned God does not approve of sin, not at all. And Our Father more than HOPES we become a better person. Just read the bible yourself, see what you find out. Praise to Our Lord.
Love without truth is a delusion, just as truth without love is.
How does one become a “better person”? I’ve never been able to do it on my own. I thought I could drink alcohol and be a better person. I thought I could be sarcastic or lazy and be a better person. All of my efforts failed. Once I realized that I was absolutely incapable of dealing with my own sin of being a drunk alcoholic and that I could stop trying and turn my life over to the care of God I was free of the burden and realized that I didn’t have to drink if I didn’t want to. God gave me the strength of His Grace and I’ve been sober for 35 years now.
God did love me when I was drunk, even the night I drove my car off the highway and the night many nights I’d find myself spinning in bed or the mornings when I felt like hell itself was in my head. He loved me so much that He made me realized I needed help, not affirmation. I needed His Grace, not a better way to drink.
I realized that I couldn’t get closer to God because He was closer to me than I could comprehend, especially when I was drunk. He loved me enough to tell me the truth, that I was a sick drunk and needed to turn to Him, not myself, for the Grace to Be His and not belong to the “Do Drop Inn” club.
God’s Grace is His tremendous love. We can’t earn it, but we can smile and receive it in joy.
“God loves us all where we are”–Sure, but He does NOT love where we are, if we are unrepentant sinners. Because where we are is not with Him, and not being with Him is, by definition, hell.
And here I thought you had died and gone to heaven. Glad? to see you are back and still promoting intolerance. Why do you care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom. Who are you to judge?
Asked and answered a bunch of times over the last many years.
TA You are obviously a troll. I’m guessing you think you’re either upsetting people or enlightening them. All the while getting your virtue signaling and moral superiority dopamine hit.
Actually what you’re doing for me is reminding me of a Beach Boys parody song.
Wouldn’t it be nice to be a liberal
Then we wouldn’t have to think at all
Wouldn’t it be nice to hold a rally
Just to show the world
Our brains are small
Anyhoo, since you struggle with logic I’ll walk you through this. Slowly.
The blog isn’t about ( liberal cliche warning) “what people do in their bedrooms.”
It’s about men ordained by God to lead souls to heaven, not obfuscating Truth to make sure their trip to hell is a pleasant one.
Then getting adulation from evil people who are self styled loving and tolerant.
Not only merely standing aside and watching the eternal disaster unfolding but waving pom poms while doing so.
Now another tactic of the Luciferian left is this.
Take words that mean one thing, dump that out and put new improved meanings into them.
Example: love.
Authentic meaning: seeking the best good of another which ultimately is God.
Fake meaning: do whatever your original sin brokenness desires however evil.
Tolerance: adjusting to differences in others that aren’t destructive.
Demanding conformity to others’ evil and violation of their consciences to appease yours.
TA I always enjoy our little chats. 🥸
I actually sang your parody of the Beach Boys as I read it. THAT brought back memories.
Kudos for the central message of your post! Very well done!
Look up the word “troll” as it applies to social media. A troll is NOT a person who disagrees with a post and gives her point of view. TA seems to be shocked by the anti-Christian tone of this blog, as I am. She may or may not be Christian herself, but she definitely expresses many Christian values, especially love and tolerance.
That’s quite a pedestal you have climbed up on. Do you get altitude sickness? Your silly little song and virtue signaling are literally the antithesis of what Jesus teaches,
Unlike you we do not tolerate evil and sinfulness and try to persuade others to repentance as we all are called to repentance.
“If I say to the wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ but you do not warn him—you don’t speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life—that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.” (Ezekiel 3:18,
“But if you warn a wicked person and he does not turn from his wickedness or his wicked way, he will die for his iniquity, but you will have rescued yourself.” (Ezekiel 3:19, CSB)
What you call judgemental and intolerant we call the Word of God.
Spiritual act of mercy: Admonishing the sinner.
Oh my word, you just don’t or won’t get it. One mad mom has said the truth again and again, read the bible if you don’t want to believe her. I never was to church once til I was in my 50’s! (my parents didn’t believe just like you don’t) BUT, I read the bible myself when I was 16, I was very dumb about it of course, so much I didn’t understand. One thing though, the bible is quite clear on many things even to a teenager who never was to church, the answers are there, about sin, cripes, I was so worried as a teenager I would do something God didn’t like. (I now know everyday we sin, but we are striving to do God’s will and forgiven if we ask. If you don’t want to follow God, your choice, that’s what it’s all about on this earth, just walk away, go ahead and think you are great, if you don’t want to bow down to God, then join the evil)
Dear “Teach Acceptance”. You have reminded me of a quote from Venerable Fulton Sheen:
“In the face of this false broad‐mindedness, what the world needs is intolerance. The mass of people have kept up hard and fast distinctions between dollars and cents, battleships and cruisers, ʺYou owe meʺ and ʺI owe you,ʺ but they seem to have lost entirely the faculty of distinguishing between the good and the bad, the right and the wrong. The best indication of this is the frequent misuse of the terms ʺtoleranceʺ and ʺintolerance.ʺ There are some minds that believe that intolerance is always wrong, because they make ʺintoleranceʺ mean hate, narrow‐ mindedness, and bigotry. These same minds believe that tolerance is always right because, for them, it means charity, broad‐mindedness, American good nature.”
I think you are twisting the words of Archbishop Fulton Sheen. The words can be interpreted by how they are used. I am intolerant of those who judge others. I am tolerant of those that choose to live a life different from mine, which doesn’t hurt me in any way, shape or form. As a side note, the Archbishop was good friends with my grandfather. I have several pictures of them. Sadly, I never knew my grandfather, but my mother, was one of the most tolerant and accepting people I’ve ever known.
I so wish this app had emojis. If you believe Sheen’s words to be twisted than you really have never delved into the man. I suggest you do.
You sound pretty intolerant yourself.
“Why do you care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom.”
Why do you not? If you believe in God then you believe in hell. If you believe in hell, then you care about what people do in the privacy of their bedroom.
If you don’t, then there’s no real reason for you to be here. Yet you persist.
Perhaps you are COVID personified.
There you are again, judging One Mad Mom. Here you are, the smooth one who teaches us to accept sin. Teaching acceptance and being intolerant of God and His servants must be a tough job!
Jesus said SIN No More and Thou Shalt NOT. What Part of that Does Hollenbach, R Marx,, Gregory , Depaglia, J Martin and Bergoglio NOT Understand ???
Fr. Martin is one of the wolves in sheep’s clothing described in Scripture and he needs to read the “Woes to the false shepherds” in Ezekiel. The attention he’s getting here may be lots of fun, fire and a pitchfork in the bum not so much. I’m praying for his conversion this morning.
I always feel sorry for him on some level, even though I think he may be the most dangerous priest in America, or one of them. He’s in for such a big surprise. And that millstone is going to be heavy. I also pray for his conversion.
Louise, I am truly puzzled. I read Fr. Martin’s comments almost every day. He always writes about love for God (prayers, worship) and love for neighbor, especially the most marginalized. He has been praised by the pope. What exactly is it that makes him dangerous? I’d really like to know. Thanks.
In a nutshell, he is campaigning for acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. Same sex relationships are anathema to the Christian worldview, according to the Bible. Fr. Martin is widely seen as at the forefront of promoting acceptance of this lifestyle with his books and tweets. When Fr. Martin does not correct the inerrancy of the homosexual lifestyle (and he never does) – but rather, he encourages it, he is leading his homosexual followers down the path to hell. He speaks with a silver tongue about love and acceptance and tolerance but he never acknowledges what Scripture has to say about homosexuality. That is why he is so dangerous.
Louise, thank you for responding. If you read Fr. Martin’s words, you will see that he advocates for a very marginalized group of people, as Jesus asked us to do. If you read closely you’ll see that he NEVER condones immoral sexual acts for homosexuals or anyone else. The Pope, our spiritual leader, has praised Fr. Martin for his love and support of a group of people. Like Fr. Martin, the Pope never condones homosexual acts. What he does do is remind us all that homosexuals are welcome in the church and loved by God. This is a basic tenet of our faith.
That said, I admit that this topic is confusing. I suggest you look at Bible passages to see that homosexual ACTS are sinful. Fr. Martin and the Pope are just spreading the word of Jesus Christ that ALL people are acceptable to God.
No, he does far more than that. https://youtu.be/SlnKTpDknZQ
I just watched this and really enjoyed the discussion. I listened closely to what Fr. Martin said. He was very careful to stress compassion and inclusion of gay people (encouraged by the Catholic Church) and avoided the topic of homosexual sex or was vague about it. At no time did he say anything contrary to church teaching, which is likely why Pope Francis has honored and encouraged him. Basically Fr. Martin is reaching out to a very marginal group, which Jesus asked us to do.
Linda, thanks for your response. I referred to homosexual ACTS as sinful when I referred to the homosexual lifestyle in my answer, not homosexuals themselves.
Your last sentence is curious – are all people truly “acceptable” to God? Are pedophiles acceptable to God? Are those who torture animals acceptable to God? Are the lukewarm acceptable to God? They are acceptable to God ONLY after they repent and “go and sin no more”, otherwise he would have patted Mary Magdalene on the head and counseled her to “you be you”. Fr. Martin refuses to ask conversion of the active homosexual community. He’s leading them down the primrose path, where the way is wide and easy. Being confusing may be part of his M.O. THAT is why he is so dangerous. He makes them comfortable with their sin. That is not loving. It is insidious.
Yes, all people, no matter their sins, are acceptable to God and are capable of redemption until their moment of death. This is a very central tenet of the Christian (not just Catholic) faith. That’s why pastors often visit prisoners on Death Row. Of course, that means God loves the person and wants him to repent; it does NOT mean He loves the sin!
The Catholic Church accepts homosexuality as a “condition,” although a “disordered” one and does NOT endorse “conversion” therapy. As a scholarly priest, Fr. Martin understands this and has made it his mission to welcome these individuals into the Church. This is Catholic teaching and that is likely why the pope has pointedly praised him.
I have a cousin who is gay. She is a devout Catholic and most assuredly chaste. She is not a “sin.”
This topic IS confusing to many people but Jesus gave us easy rules to follow: Love God, Love your neighbor, even the LEAST of them. (“least” is who each of us detests.) Also, Catholics believe in the primacy of the pope. Obey Jesus and heed Pope Francis and you can’t go wrong. And pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance. God bless you.
Linda. argh! WE ALL AGREE THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE LOVED BY GOD AND THAT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A SIN, BUT THEIR ACTING UPON IT IS. Please stop telling us that like that’s the first time anyone here has heard that. Sheesh. Of course your cousin is not a sin. Of course Catholics believe in the primacy of the pope. Newsflash: aside from the pope speaking ex cathedra, much of what Pope Francis says is opinion and we are not “required” to agree with him. Of course we obey Jesus and of course we pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance.
Watch what’s happening in the German church and how the German bishops are attempting to change the very core of the Catholic church through homosexuality. They want to enforce everything the Fr. Martin endorses. They’re headed for schism. It won’t stop at the German borders either.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-suicide-by-synod-of-the-german-catholic-church/
I think we’ve been over this more than a few times, Linda. Again, not everyone who says “Lord, lord!” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Answer this question, do you believe homosexual acts (not inclination) of grave depravity and that they are intrisically disordered and can never be approved under any circumstances? Please answer and do not start with whataboutisms.
I have answered this before so I’ll state it as succinctly as possible: Yes, I believe homosexual acts are sinful and cannot be approved under any circumstances. Being a homosexual is NOT a sin. If you read what Fr. Martin says, you will see that he NEVER states that homosexual acts are permissible. What he does do is advocate for love, compassion and acceptance for this group of people. The Pope emphatically stated that ALL people are loved by God. He has pointedly praised Fr. Martin for embracing this marginalized group of people. Many of us, as Catholics, respect the opinion of Pope Francis, even if and when we disagree with him. Love for neighbors, even “disordered” ones is a central tenet of our faith.
Many of your comments result from a lack of knowledge of our faith. In this particular case, you have confused being a homosexual with homosexual acts. They are not the same, just as being heterosexual and being adulterous are not the same. One is not sinful and the other is.
You have a right to your beliefs but if you are going to give opinions on Catholicism, learn the faith. Start with the catechism and take heed of what our religious leader has to say.
I know you are sincere so I’m not calling you a sinner. But we have a moral obligation to know our faith. Before I respond to your posts, I always do some research. Read the church’s stance on homosexuality.
I quoted the Faith straight out of the catechism and Martin literally wants to change it in the Catechism and he promotes “Pride” not humility and deference to the teachings of the Church. I’m not really sure if you’re just throwing things at the wall to see what will stick but, again, if you are going to challenge my knowledge of the Faith, cite the error. Martin can say “Lord, lord!” but you have to look at his many other words and how many people he has led out the belief that homosexual ACTS are OK. We’re supposed to look at the fruits and, well, the tree is missing fruit all together. You want to repeatedly say I do not know the Faith. Where am I in error? Did Christ dine with sinners? Yup. Did Christ call people out for their sin? Yup. did he say the gate is narrow? Yes. And while we’re talking about people who don’t know their Faith, or in Martin’s case I’m pretty sure he does, he, at best, misspeaks regarding “Primacy of Conscience” as theologian after theologian has stated.
And, while you’re pointing the finger at me, you might want to look at what Fr. Martin has done. https://catholicvote.org/rev-james-martin-leading-lgbt-revolt-against-vatican/
Laura writes: If you read what Fr. Martin says, you will see that he NEVER states that homosexual acts are permissible.
But does he ever state that the acts are sinful? Does he ever mention repentance and amending one’s life?
Too often today I hear about God’s love for all from the pulpit but repentance and amendment are not mentioned.
Fr. Martin’s mission is to gain Christian compassion for homosexuals. Since the Church does not consider the state of being homosexual as sinful, I imagine Fr. Martin does not want to falsely suggest that a person has to be sorry for being who he is.
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Side note: Fr. Martin exhibits several manifestations that could easily be described as clinical. The most prominent being the contradictory acceptance of opposing premises or propositions. I do not comment on his mind set or its reasons, just the fact that he seems to want to straddle a line that does not really exist. He might wish to consider professional intervention in order to bring some clarity to his thought process and thereby make a positive contribution to discussion of the issues.
AGAIN, why do you care what happens in two consenting adults’ bedrooms? Their “sin” isn’t hurting you in any way. Why not just wait until you get to heaven or hell to see what God really thought about it. You are getting yourselves all worked up over something that doesn’t really impact you. Why not work on saving people who actually want it?
Because I love my fellow man. Because sin doesn’t exist in a vacuum and sin begets sin. Because I follow the teachings of Christ. And it’s kind of ironic you’re here at all. Why do you care what happens on a random blog? See the hypocrisy?
I care because people like you are destroying the lives of other people, all in the name of your sanctimonious beliefs. If other people who want to feel superior to others read your blog, they’ll think it is okay then to oppress and deny other people their freedom.
Right back at ya, Babe. Again, the hypocrisy is GLARING. I freely admit I judge acts all the time and am intolerant of sin. You, on the other hand, are the sole judge of the world.
Ouch, TA, she got you. Live and let live, babe, right?
Because it has been proven to be socially disruptive. Also, it has been demonstrated to be a vehicle for coercion of others as in wedding cakes and web sites.
“Their “sin” isn’t hurting you in any way.”
If you care for people and try to get them to heaven then yes, their sin hurts us because we know the consequences of sin even if they may not “want” it or believe it
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“Why not just wait until you get to heaven or hell to see what God really thought about it.”
See above. We don’t have to wait. We have the word of God given to us and we know what He thinks of sin.
“You are getting yourselves all worked up over something that doesn’t really impact you.”
Christ got worked up about it enough to die for them. The sin of Adam and Eve impacted us big time and still does. Sin impacted the world that Noah lived in, enough for God to destroy the world by water.
“Why not work on saving people who actually want it?”
We are whether they actually want it or not. Do you not know anything about the faith you left? Or is ignorance the reason you left?
Bob, me thinks you think you are God reincarnated. Get a grip. Do not judge others. Let God make the final decision. Do not make decisions for others. Worry about yourself. You do know that Adam and Eve are metaphorical, right? There is no way all this genetic diversity exists without having been around for 100,000 years.
So tolerant and non-judgmental, TA. Bahaha!
“You do know that Adam and Eve are metaphorical, right?” Speaking for myself, I know no such thing. With all the racial and ethnic differences in the world, I still don’t know how an Australian aborigine could (theoretically) marry into the Swedish royal family, and the two could have children together–or how the same doctor could treat illness in both the aforementioned aborigine and the Swedish royal family member (but he could not treat a gorilla–you’d have to have a veterinarian for that)–or how our two diverse lovebirds could successfully exchange blood transfusions (but not with orangutans) unless every human being on earth was descended from one single, ancestral couple far in antiquity. If that were not so, then our diversity would be so radical as to preclude intermarriage etc between humanoid species. If it were not so, then we could not be truthfully described as a universal brotherhood.
Using your logic we could say the same thing about people using fentanyl in the privacy of their own bedroom, or people doing an abortion in the privacy of their own kitchen or people making racist jokes in the privacy of their own T.V. Studio.
You see, TA, with God there is no privacy. God knows what goes on in the depths of our minds, hearts and souls. Jesus didn’t become flesh to leave us in privacy. He came to save sinners from damnation. He calls us to join Him in His Mission. If we don’t care what people do in their own homes why are we participating in mission work for people we don’t know so that they can have water and food? Why do we oppose the rape of children? Why do we bother to pray for anyone but ourselves? It it “None of our business” when a homeless person dies of disease?
Acceptance is a nice word if one isn’t thinking about all of its implications. I practice it myself. I accept that I probably cannot change your point of view. I’m not going to sit here and worry about you all day, just like I’m not going to worry how many people are drunk in the privacy of their own bedroom right now. But I won’t say it’s OK and that we should not give a hoot about other people at all who are so deep in sin that they are experiencing a real sample of hell right now.
I am certainly not going to say: “What a woman does to her baby in the privacy of her own womb is none of my business.”
Larry, a physician could probably treat a gorilla since they are pretty common in terms of their organ systems, etc. Additionally, most of us can not share blood. If you get someone’s blood that is not compatible with yours, it could kill you. That’s why there are so many checks done when a transfusion occurs. For example, I can’t give my husband my blood and vice versa. There are four main blood types. Each also has a rhesus + or rhesus negative protein. Genetics. Interestingly, rhesus comes from the monkeys where the protein was discovered!
Come on. I know all about blood types and rh factor. I said they “could” exchange blood, and that is true if they have the same type and rh factor, but if not, our Swede could receive a blood transfusion from a descendant of the Inca tribe of Peru if the type and rh matched, ditto with the Australian aborigine and the aforementioned Inca, or any racial/ethnic combination you’d like to imagine. They still could never swap blood with an orangutan. And you didn’t even address the reproductive issue: the fact that a Finn could mate with an African bushman and produce children who are undeniably human. But neither of them could do so with a giraffe. Clearly, we all came from the same set of parents. If you don’t want to call them “Adam” and “Eve,” (it’s just Hebrew for “the man” and “the woman”) then call them whatever you want, but they are our first parents. Note that I haven’t once invoked Catholic dogma here. I’m talking plain common sense. For that matter, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that all elephants on the earth came from a single set of elephant parents; ditto for alligators, giraffes, etc.
I think you are forgetting about the concept of evolution. Humans evolved from apes. Apes evolved from lesser creatures. There is no single parent story. We do use some animal organs for transplant, by the way. And, they are working on using animal blood for human transfusions because there is a shortage of human blood.
First of all, evolution of the species is not, and never has been anything but an unproven theory. The theory depends on the idea that random genetic mutations can create new and better, or at least distinct species. But this idea has never been proven by science. Experiments with radiation-induced mutations in flies never resulted in anything but individual flies with birth defects not compatible with long-term survival–not an improved genetic line. So, if you want to be truthful (do you?), you cannot assert that we did in fact descend from apes. You would have to say it has been theorized that we did.
Secondly, I never said that we didn’t (or that we did) evolve from apes. I haven’t the foggiest idea. I only said that it is certain that we are all descended from one original set of parents, otherwise we could not explain the extraordinary commonality of all humans the world over. Where those parents came from is up to science to tell us, and so far it has not with any degree of certitude. You also say that researchers are “working on” using animal blood in human transfusions. In other words, it’s not yet an established fact, whereas we know that human blood works if the blood types are compatible.
Your objections are trivial and do nothing to refute what I’ve said. You haven’t even tried to explain why humans cannot mate naturally with apes and produce hybrid children, and what that tells us.
9 In the letter I wrote to you, I told you to avoid the company of fornicators; 10 not meaning everyone in the world around you who is debauched, or a miser, or an extortioner, or an idolater; to do that, you would have to cut yourselves off from the world altogether. 11 No, my letter meant that if anyone who is counted among the brethren is debauched, or a miser, or an idolater, or bitter of speech, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, you must avoid his company; you must not even sit at table with him. 12 Why should I claim jurisdiction over those who are without? No, it is for you to pass judgement within your own number, 13 leaving God to judge those who are without. Banish, then, the offender from your company.
1Cor5 in response to ” who am i to judge” statements
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